okay well just to let you know i have uh two uh children of my own i've got two boys uh one four year old and one two years old so so i'm just starting out oh yes i have two boys who are twenty eight and twenty four and a daughter who's twelve wow wow that's quite a spread yes same husband everything it just uh but that's great well i guess uh in one of things that that uh i like to do with my boys when uh when i get home is i like to try and spend a lot of time with them you know they're not very old so they can't do a whole lot yet um-hum but they like to uh spend time with me we just oh just do various things nothing really they like to be outside as much as possible if it's not raining right uh but you know the weather's trying to turn now so are are you down here in Texas oh yes i i'm i'm in uh Dallas okay yeah then you know what i meant with rain ah right right right okay uh what you know one of one of the well one of the things i've noticed is one of the trends i've i've noticed is that uh it's always too easy to to just plop your kids down in front of the TV and let them watch movies or or play video games or something yeah i i have can you hold on just a second i have to answer a business phone i hate to do it on this call good morning ARE this is Arlene Lister sure sure that's okay it was just a recorded message on our business phone anyway i'm sorry keep going no no it's okay um so that was the thing that i i noticed that i know a lot of the people lot of friends that we have they have a tendency to do the same thing and one of the things we try to do is we try to avoid doing that as much as possible um um-hum although it really is very easy to do that type of thing just plop them down in front of the TV and let them be um entertained that way and uh seeing as how you've got some older children i was i'm wondering how did you handle that when they were growing up yeah well there there was not nearly as much of it in fact i i think things were were quite a bit different uh when my my big kids were were little uh you know if if all the mothers were home um-hum um-hum you know the the kids got up in the morning and ate breakfast and poked around and then when they felt like it they went out to play you know when they were were little like that um-hum right and uh i i think it's gotten ah yeah very different when my second one was little they were coming out with Sesame Street which he started watching and right other than that i mean there was basically there was not educational TV or uh um-hum you know you got some cartoons and that was it but they they were never that interested in it anyway they'd rather i mean they'd take their trucks out in the backyard you know go out and play and stuff but we always did uh right oh just you know to the park for walks and to the zoo and museum we did a lot of stuff like that with uh with our kids and course when they got bigger uh um-hum um-hum they were both quite into sports and and you know so whatever you know they would do we'd go along with and uh um-hum yeah uh well a girl is very different a girl would like you to spend time with her going shopping so they're very very different but right uh you know kind of the same thing our you know she now lot of time spent with her she's so busy is uh you know going to you know like last night was a band concert and she um-hum um-hum she plays on her school volleyball team and uh stuff like that but uh we we still uh oh like to pack up you know just go someplace for the day or uh you know just stuff like that one of our older kids now is going to graduate school down at College Station so that's uh right oh that's nice we go down there fairly often you know for a weekend for you know family get togethers and stuff like that that's great that's great i know we'd i'd like to get into do more camping and outings and things and i think we probably will soon as the boys get a little bit older ah um-hum but uh you know for right now they don't you know just getting out in the front just being outside is good for them they like just being outside oh yes yeah i i think our kids just ours dearly loved that you know played bounce the ball or just ah course when our big ones were little we lived up north you know and this time of the year it it the fun thing was to go out um-hum um-hum swoosh around in the leaves you know and yes you know so it's it's very different and and uh right that's true you don't see many leaves around Dallas you know we also come winter time we'd stick them on sleds and uh we had a pond across the street and and from little on uh you know i'm um-hum it it's so different down here where you you go and take lessons to learn to ice skate or something you know when our kids were little you you got them a pair of skates