okay Mike i guess we'll be talking about painting recently any of kind of recent painting you've done uh yourself have you done any recently well we um remodeled a bathroom uh-huh and which required uh completely repainting the bathroom and the other project we've done around here is uh we've remodeled all our all our closets wow wow that's that's quite a chore which required quite a bit of painting yes i imagine it did did you have that done professionally or did you do that yourself no we did it ourselves did it myself you enjoy that yeah oh that's that's fun we just recently uh had our boys' room our two oldest boys share a room and they're uh the paint has uh kind of faded and deteriorated and so we decided to paint their room and put up wallpaper and border and so forth and uh looks quite good we were quite pleased with the result is this a project you did yourself yes it's a project uh that i did yes and and uh what what what brought about the fading of the paint just sun exposure well i don't think it's sun exposure but um boys will be boys and there there were crayon marks on there and we had to to scrub the crayon marks off of course try and get it clean oh okay yeah latex paint latex and so pardon me yes it was it was latex paint and that's uh what we put back on there was a latex paint um-hum plus uh they had bunk beds and the boy one of the younger boys when he was younger about three years old got a uh got a nice marker and got up on the ceiling and decided to draw pictures on the ceiling so yes on the ceiling and uh you scrub and you scrub but you can't it all off yeah no that's true and so that's one of the reasons why we painted and uh did you go what what kind of paint do you use on the ceiling we used a flat latex paint and in the bedroom as i understand that's uh one of the better type of paints to have because it's not so reflective and and glossy colored okay um-hum and it uh turned out real real well seems like um i've we've done some remodeling of some uh rental houses that we have um-hum and it appears as though that uh oh in the fifties or sixties when some of these houses were built uh they used a lot of uh semigloss type enamel for ceiling paints um-hum and that was a little difficult to cover with today's paints it seemed like we had a occasion uh where we had to do some sealing uh-huh of uh the ceiling of the this type of paint before we could paint it oh you had to prime it and and seal cover over it yeah right huh you had pretty good luck with one coat type paints you use a particular brand or anything well i like to use this this Sears uh the ten year guarantee or the fifteen year guarantee yes weather beater type stuff yeah and the reason being is once i paint it i don't wanna have to go and do it another five or seven years later understand but uh and uh we're quite satisfied with that and and occasionally you can watch for it and get it on sale and we do do that fact i was just reading an article you mentioned painting your bathroom um-hum i read an article recently that uh you have to be very careful on the kind of paint you put on the ceiling in your bathroom because it does tend to to peel or come off because of the moisture high moisture content in your bathroom bathroom yeah it's a lot like uh wall paper and uh did you have any problems with that or that's true well the particular bathroom that we did is a half bath so we didn't have a problem with that oh good um i have had i've uh have never experienced that type of a problem uh-huh uh with a latex paint oh good neither neither have i so you shouldn't have a you shouldn't have a problem with it oh good they're they're pretty well refined today a lot of the paints and Sears is one of the better ones uh-huh yeah you i've used uh many a gallon of them myself do you uh have you ever used an oil base paint uh used oil base paints for trim um-hum you know like around doors and and on doors things like that why why do you use that i'm i'm kind of learning at this new at this but uh primarily because it seems it seems to be a little more um what do i wanna say it adheres better or lasts longer well not so much that it seems to hold up a little bit better towards the nicks and dings oh okay as opposed to uh a latex type paint uh-huh and uh it just you know it it gives you a a variance even though it's the same color right well that's good that's good so it's worked out pretty well for us um have you ever done any painting outside uh quite a bit painted a couple of houses uh recently this summer we painted a uh out building which is a shed that we have on the property