okay um they said to discuss the type of novels i read for enjoyment i like mysteries i i i really enjoy a good mystery i uh-huh i'm not into the gory bloody type murder things but i like a mystery to curl up with at night and um do you enjoy mysteries well i do i don't read much of them i i i tend to watch movie mysteries more than read mysteries i read other types of books but who's your favorite author in terms of mysteries oh uh-huh uh-huh well i enjoy Victoria Holt i like you know that that era and that type of a a setting so i i that the the type of area that i read um what kind of books do you enjoy uh-huh um-hum well my my books are a little bit more uh different than that um i tend to um right now i i do a lot of um reading of the mystic um Catholic i do a lot of Catholic saints uh i do a lot of mystic um the um-hum um-hum the ancient um writings and i've been doing a lot of that kind of reading and um so like Saint Francis of Assisi and Teresa Viola um oh oh uh-huh uh-huh Teresa Saint John of the cross um those kinds of of writings uh sort sort of um old spiritual leaders um oh that's oh that's great it's been real fascinating and boy it sounds fascinating that that's been a lot of my reading for the past number of years and then i read contemporary people um um-hum who um combine religion and psychology and that's been an interest of mine and so um-hum oh right now i'm currently reading a man named Morton Kelsey and uh his his a book on it called Transcend and it's a story it's about prayer and um and it sort of combines uh some of the old um with the new uh-huh oh oh uh-huh so uh i well that's fascinating yeah i do that kind of reading although i do do some uh casual reading my reading lately has been fairly heavy but um that sounds heavy in fact it it is yes but i just read i've read Prince of Tides have you you know that's going to be a new movie and uh-huh uh-huh yes that's a good book if you yeah very good book is it oh i would highly recommend it um it's not a mystery uh it it is of sorts and it's it's really it's it's fiction but it's an excellent book i uh-huh um-hum uh-huh oh that's interesting i it sounds like my my novels that i read i don't do that real often i'm like you i'm more into the self-help help and the um of course child rearing i like to read about that i have four children and and i like religious books also and um you know that that's interesting that that you read those type things are they are they hard to understand it depends i think i've i've learned through the years different books speak to different people and i say you know my recommendation is for people to try it and if if they can understand it they're supposed to read it and if they can't you know then don't try um-hum put it away for another time um-hum um-hum because i really do think it depends on on where people are at the particular time as to whether or not they can read it and for me on certain books speak to me and certain books do not so you know i i it hm oh and i just think not every book is for every person these are not like you know best sellers so um uh-huh i agree uh-huh now when you go to the do you get them from the library or i tend to buy them at a place here called Dallas Books and it has wonderful um oh wonderful books and i tend to get them there i have i have a fairly expensive library now of boy of things that i have read um another person who's wonderful who's more contemporary but who has recently died is Thomas Murtin and if you've read any of he was a Cistercian monk uh-huh oh oh and his writings are wonderful and he was a prolific writer and uh you'll see if you know the name you'll see it quoted often um and and he huh he's really quite good and i think his books are a a tad easier to read you know i think that's a good place to start oh uh-huh um have you read Scott Peck that's another good place no i haven't he wrote this this is what started me on all of it was The Road Less Traveled that was a that's been a best seller oh oh yes i'm familiar that now i'm familiar with the title i wasn't familiar with his with his name but well he um he's wonderful and i recommend that book to anyone um-hum um that is a great place to start and so it's called The Road Less Traveled oh oh i'll have to do that wonderful book if you're into religious reading um uh-huh and psychology it he's he's a psychiatrist and he was converted late kind of late in life and it's sort of his story and it's quite good um oh oh huh now do you um when do you do your reading do you at night i tend to read at night um-hum i have i have two children but they're eleven eleven eleven and fifteen so at night that's when i do oh they're a little bit older how old are your children well six months and three years and six years and eight years so that's the only time i have to read is late at night and sometimes i'm too tired to do that but i do love to read yes i am uh-huh oh goodness you don't have time to do anything i bet i bet now are you Mormon okay i i just assumed that because you're from Utah but uh yes yes i