well Lynn what do you think should elderly be cared for in the home or do you think they're always better off in a nursing home or are there any answers to something like that well there certainly are times when uh it's necessary i believe to place someone in a nursing home um that uh person just becomes too expensive and too um hard on the family to care for somebody within their home but uh i think everything possible should be done to uh keep someone at home before that happens yeah well my my mother who's seventy is has living with her my eighty nine year old grandmother oh my and oh they're doing fine so far oh thank goodness but uh does your mother have any help it no no and and my grandmother's pretty self-sufficient uh she did have a mini stroke recently which is left her just a tiny bit addled but i don't think she's any place close to needing a nursing home no i i think it's only when a person becomes uh my father had to be placed eventually in a nursing home he had uh Alzheimer's disease oh how sad yeah it's um and it was just impossible to care for him uh twenty four hours a day um yeah but uh and there weren't enough um resources i think in the community to help uh my mother care for him um-hum which was really unfortunate yes i think it it it the placement could have been delayed had there been um more resources in their community that must have been very difficult for her to make that decision oh it it was and uh i think she she was there every every day uh at noon and at night to make sure that he was fed and cared for in a proper way and it was exhausting i think one of the the toughest parts about the decision would be finding the home uh i know in Texas we hear so many of so many abuses in nursing homes that it's just i don't know where you'd start he well i think you know the first thing is just to look at lots of them and then it it does make a difference if there are regular visits by family um that uh the staff you know is aware that they can't be neglecting somebody if the family's there everyday yeah um and i i must say i have some sympathy for the nursing home staff itself they you they are overworked oh yes and probably underpaid in a lot of cases i mean i think that's treated as pretty much unskilled labor uh certainly yes it's doesn't have um uh it's not compensated adequately and the um and there's certainly no prestige attached to uh um you know it's sort of a yeah it's it's it's a sad situation yeah i wonder if the church run nursing homes in general are better than the others i think any uh nonprofit facility is probably better run than uh those institutions that are strictly for profit uh so that means often that they are church run yeah but um my late in-laws lived at Leisure World uh for a number of years but i actually they moved away from there with a daughter before they needed the final care i guess it had graduated levels of care or something in that facility i don't know if you're familiar with that or not it's in Southern California oh yeah actually i um my my work is to advise families in finding care for their elders and sometimes that means getting in all kinds of community resources to the home whether it's Meals-on-Wheels or uh home help aids or whatever but when somebody is looking for care i recommend that they look for something that's uh has more than one level um-hum that it's not just an independent living facility