so what do you think about mandatory public service well um um personally i think it's good uh-huh i think um there's a lot of things that that um you can learn from helping other people and doing things that need to be done and as i look around i see most of the things that i enjoy like i just got back from vacation and the freeways were were built by somebody else paid by somebody else and and um wouldn't hurt to do some of that myself right were you ever in the military or public service of any kind i i did a two and a half um two and a half year volunteer um how shall i say it uh service in the Far East for my church oh really yeah what denomination uh Latter Day Saint church uh-huh and um so it was it was um it was a great uh thing and and i know some other people that who've that have um come back from that and joined the Peace Corps and you know went on uh contributing and and like i say in every case uh they benefited and i'm they have lifelong happy memories about about uh the things that they did now does that mean that everybody is going to have happy memories well i don't know but in Europe and in many states in Europe they do the same thing they they want everybody to to uh not necessarily join the military military but have you know mandatory uh volunteer service of some kind right so how about you i think it's also a good idea people that i've i was just thinking this morning about how are you there yes okay hi um i was just thinking this morning about how people tend to get off into a to one narrow track and one narrow focus and don't get an opportunity to go out and look and experience other people and other ways of doing things so in particular i was thinking about up in lately visiting around to a lot of different congregations and the preachers that i've heard that have just grown up and stayed into one particular denomination are not nearly as good and um expansive as the ones that have come from a different denomination to the one they're in now so in terms of having life experience and a better appreciation for other people and other points of view i think the mandatory volunteer service is a great thing great idea the problem is that as you say not everybody will have a great experience the ones that are wanting to do it tend to have great experiences though some of our friends that joined the Peace Corps have been really lonely yeah well well that's part of the how shall i say it that's part of the experience i think because not every oh how shall i say it not every uh not every place we go has has great weather i uh you know sometimes you come back and and you say um that was an interesting trip but i guess what i'm saying is that that overall the the benefits of of uh volunteer service uh are just infectious they they get you remember the people you helped and it's not all money money money money right and uh it's really useful to to making you well like i say feel like you contribute i know after i spent my time in the Far East i came back and i said well of all the bad things i've done in my life and of all the times i wimped out and haven't done anything at least i've done something for that period of time uh-huh and uh you know it's um how shall i say it it's not a cure all but uh right the other thing that i've that i like i say i feel is that there's a a lot of people out there that that just have tons of time and uh they don't know what they're going to do with their life and and as you pointed out if they've get out and see if uh uh life from a from a different uh perspective then uh they have a better focus uh-huh and and let's see what else i i think the only difficulty is going to be um if it becomes well i think we'd have to learn a lot from the European uh style uh because i know that in America there's sometimes there's a tendency to let everybody do their own thing to the point that that uh it might become