have you ever done this yes i have what did you do unfortunately unfortunately uh oh this will be interesting it yeah it it's it's really hard to please everybody and it it takes a lot of planning a lot more a lot more effort you know you have to decided what you're going to do have you ever done one well actually i'd i sort of do this uh anytime my family comes to town uh-huh i mean we have a very immediate family it's not really extended um-hum uh i was an only child my mother is an only child so we don't have like tons and tons of relatives so it's really my parents and i have five children three are married and they have little kids um-hum and so you know it's basically us and so when every body comes it is very hectic and i guess that's as close to what we have as a reunion and we do this at Christmas and we just did this last week and so um it's hard to get everyone to be able to come at the same time um-hum that's the hard part is was my son was missing last week because he's a teacher and he had things he had to do and he couldn't just leave but uh it's really hard to get everyone together but we don't have lots of aunts and uncles and things like that to consider yeah our um uh the ones i was involved in was with my wife's family and it's very extended there are aunts and great-aunts and cousins and cousin's children yeah that would be so much harder and there's oh over the last fourteen years depending on where we went and what we did there's anywhere from and thirty or forty to fifty sixty and sometimes more than that you know during different phases of what we're trying to do uh so how often do you try to all get together um they try every year oh no are you all from the same place pretty much or we're kind of in the same area most everybody is from uh Idaho and Utah uh-huh and there are some from there well there's a couple back east and they travel they've come a few times there's some from California uh-huh and i think there's some from Washington where do you have these things i mean how long do they usually we've been having them in Idaho that's where it's at someone's house or i mean um no we've had them out in uh kind of wilderness uh areas before we go camping so you go camping do you i see well that's kind of good and we've had them at resorts uh you know smaller resort places uh uh-huh you know kind of like camp ground things but that way no one has all the work i mean once it's planned nobody has to worry about fixing food for everybody and that kind of thing right well we we do uh we we have some traditional things and the first night's usually like a potluck everybody just brings whatever they want and uh-huh and we have those kind of foods and and then usually the first morning breakfast is just that each body does their own and then have games all day so there is a lot of planning though for things like that i guess anyway huh um-hum yeah there there is we we do uh uh you know we have we have quite a few we have a sing along one of the uncles plays the guitar and sings and then everybody puts on a talent show each family's supposed to that's so neat though that's great do talent show things and we have an an auction everybody brings in made goods or things that they do and we have an auction and then that goes into the family fund oh and who has the family fund and well they elect officers every year you're kidding i have never heard of this uh they have uh yeah they have a they have a a president usually they try to elect the family and inside that family there'll be the president and or the chairman or whatever and then each person has an assignment to to you know carry out one part of the thing like one one one person will have um the games and one will have the food and one will have the auction and one'll have the program oh boy that's a big job for one family whatever it is so it well well when i'm talking family it's it's like my mother-in-law my mother-in-law's children so that'd my wife and her her sisters and brothers uh-huh i see so it's separated really yeah right so it's um it uh you know it's extended it's extended family what it is is my mother my mother-in-law and her sisters and brothers right and their oh i don't know there's twelve of them or fourteen of them or something like that not all of them are living still but there's probably eight or nine that still are hum and then all of their kids and their kid's kids and yeah i see so it's