okay um read any good books lately uh yes i i've read uh several good books lately uh lot of them uh related to um business and financial matters since that's what i do for a living oh okay um-hum how about yourself uh well i'm in graduate school and so i read a lot of books but i don't know if i consider very many of them good um i haven't read a book for enjoyment since i guess around Christmas um i received received uh uh several books for Christmas and at Christmas break i read uh Sarum by uh uh a fellow named Rutherford yes uh it's the history of um well it's sort sort of the historical the historical fiction about uh the Salisbury area in in England um-hum uh and so uh i i really enjoyed that book a lot uh he's not quite as good as you know Michener or some of uh some of the other historical writers but he he did his job well so yeah well that sounds good uh do you find it uh do do you find you have much chance to read for for just pleasure or mostly for business no i read for pleasure some also i read a book recently called Iron John have you seen that by Bly um-hum i don't think i have seen it okay well it's a book about uh uh Greek gods and and Greek um mythology uh-huh as well as uh men and interacting with other men and a book about uh men and how they mature through life um-hum and how they deal with life itself oh okay i think i have heard about that yeah but it's uh it's all revolved around uh mythology uh-huh uh as far as uh traditions from uh other cultures and our culture um-hum and how we uh interact with one another um-hum yeah that sounds great did did it have something to mention about um sort of uh cultural rituals of of manhood yes okay yeah i have heard of that i have uh someone suggested that i read it is it Iron John yes okay good by Bly B L Y i believe it is B L Y okay um-hum great and uh it's a very interesting book uh-huh uh what are your favorite uh do you have a favorite subject to read whether it be science fiction or or history or well it depends again if we're talking about uh um i read a lot of religious books um-hum uh just because i have an interest in that area um-hum and i read a lot of books in the area of uh um psychology and self help type uh materials um-hum okay uh always trying to understand people better and understand myself in a relation to other people and try to understand where the people are coming from because i'm in a people business um-hum um-hum okay and uh so that's that's that that's my work is my hobby um-hum that's so i i enjoy it sounds great um uh who is your uh who is your favorite religious author well i don't know if i have a favorite uh-huh uh religious author i would have to say that uh some of the ones that consistently put out good materials uh you know that that's difficult because one person might write one book real extremely well and some other ones might not write as well um-hum uh i have to stop here and think a second one of the ones that i've read recently that i've read several of his books and i thought that each one of his books were good he's the man out of San Antonio and uh Max Lucado Max Lucado yeah Max consistently consistently writes good books yeah uh he's a great man i've met him several times uh yes i i know him yeah uh uh but uh there's other authors also that have uh uh that write good books from time to time but not consistently put out the materials all the time um-hum um i'd say another which is a local writer here in Plano um is i'm trying to think of his name he's with the Bible church and that is uh i see his name but i can't i mean i see him but i can't see his name but he uh he talks about uh he talks about a lot of different topics and dimensions of the church and um-hum