happen to know what the laws are in Texas uh capital punishment is uh you know accepted an accepted punishment it it's legal uh-huh uh there are uh there have been a number of executions over the last few years hum uh they drag you know the the appeals drag on interminably it seems sometimes um personally i kept i keep thinking that if i could be guaranteed that the people who perpetrate some of these vicious crimes were never allowed free then i would not be in favor of capital punishment but when oh i see what you're saying but uh when i know that uh they could be paroled and go right back to doing what they did before i i feel decidedly uneasy uneasy about it huh what about New York well in New York i'm not quite sure but what sounds familiar to me is that it's it's not legal except in cases of murder of police officers uh-huh okay i might be mistaken but that's what sounds familiar to me um-hum so uh so we don't hear about it well yeah i was visiting in California recently and apparently they over about two weeks ago they just executed one fellow um-hum it is legal there but they they always put it off and put it off and they finally for the first time in twenty five years executed someone yes um-hum yes so that was quite the news i remember reading about that um is it only usually in cases of murder sort of an eye for an eye kind of thing it's uh it's more than that i think it's a capital murder uh where uh there there was an intent to do other harm as well you know where you you engaged in another felony like robbery at at the same time that you murdered someone okay i know there's a a subtle subtle difference between manslaughter and murder yes i guess you can commit manslaughter by running somebody over by accident that kind of thing by accident yes uh-huh that's my understanding of it uh but that uh murder is something that you do intentionally uh-huh uh i don't know it just seems to me that everybody wants to know if they do something what's going to happen to them um-hum i substitute teach and i have kids who talk fresh don't do homework and they say so what's going to happen to me and and people getting less and less respect and they understand they know that the bottom line is not very much is going to happen to them um-hum so if i could be sure that the people who are sentenced to execution absolutely did it because you know during the with the jury system you're not quite sure um-hum no you're not you know i i i'd feel comfortable with it if i knew absolutely certainly that this person actually murdered someone um-hum um-hum or but i i think the reason we don't go for it is because we're afraid that we might be making a mistake and you can't fix it that's right and and it's a terrible thing to do uh and the world our world seems to become more and more violent all the time by the way i'm a public school administrator so okay well did you do you find that the kids are changing and they they don't they they don't respect authority anymore oh at all they they do not respect authority uh they kill for fun i uh they shoot guns for amusement after parties um hum well the guns are legal where you are it's quite a to do to get a gun around here legally that is yes well it it's not it's not legal to carry a handgun in Texas but no it's not you can have it in your home oh i didn't know that okay or in your car if you're traveling from one city to another oh okay that clears that but uh rifles shotguns those sorts of guns are legal um-hum well they can do just as much damage oh yes it's just that they're harder to hide that's true but i do i feel decidedly uneasy about the judicial system in our country now not only because we can't be sure that the jury you know has made the right decision that the person who did it's really guilty or really isn't guilty and yet i feel very uncomfortable about the numbers of people who are paroled put back on the streets and within a few months are raping and killing other people