so Utah
yes
that that's that's the state that got was famous when they executed somebody Gary Gilmore by firing squad as i recall
Gary Gilmore
yeah
that's right and we still have a death penalty
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some a gentleman uh
that was one of the hi-fi murderers just had his conviction overturned
well appealed again i guess we have the longest uh running inmates for death row too
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and then we had another guy uh Ronald Lafferty that thought God told him to kill his sister-in-law
yeah
he just got a a new
trial because the judge felt that he was incompetent
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uh how do you feel about the death penalty
well i
you you know until recently i've been sort of could go either way you know it it sort of doesn't much you know didn't
it wasn't a strong issue
um i guess it still isn't a strong issue but i must say i find it very silly the way politicians are running around creating more and more capital crimes
um
instead of dealing with real you know the real problems they're you know they're they're they're getting votes presumably by
oh
um i assume they're doing it for that reason
well i'm sure sure that's their
by by by saying well this doing this this particular crime in this particular way is a capital crime now
well i kind of agree agree with terrorism i think those guys should be done away with that's
one of the worst crimes in my book and uh drug dealing hm
that's close but uh terrorism definitely and uh selling out your country
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it it's not it's not enough just to lock them up forever
uh
no it's got to be something that is gonna cost them because we never lock anybody up forever
um not often
not very often at all
we've got these guys in New York that uh i'm sure you
heard about the ones that killed ah the gentleman that came from Utah to watch the tennis people
yep yep
and i guess they got convicted the four of
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uh uh murder
right
so you've come to a definite opinion on it now
well i i've uh it it it it seems like it's gone gotten carried away um and i i do find it hard to draw know where to draw a line
and so if i had to draw a line i'd say just no capital punishment i mean i don't i don't see i don't see that it accomplishes a whole lot
whereas i do think that
convicting people and and incarcerating them for a long time if that could be improved upon that would have more impact i think
yeah you kind of hate to
no what what about the argument where where somebody who is committing one capital crime chooses to commit a a more serious capital crime i mean murder
um because that one at least you might escape from because his victim you know his witnesses will be gone
doesn't this doesn't this encourage
you mean uh violence
uh more serious doesn't doesn't this encourage you know i mean doesn't this encourage murder in order to wipe out the
the witnesses
the witnesses
well maybe it would uh
i kind of have a problem with our legal system at the moment uh as it is i think that people who
uh infringe on other people's rights uh and screw up their whole lives with rape uh child molesting uh
terrorism just a there's just like five things that i think they ought to be snuffed for but i'm i'm for it for certain reasons
yeah
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and i think that things like rape uh you can't get over uh takes a lifetime
i see so so if if William Kennedy Smith had been found guilty you believe he should have been uh executed
um if it was
a six person jury could've decided either way of course
yeah if it was
it'd probably have to be a pattern
you know we have plenty of convicted guys that go into jail and come back out do the same thing and go back and
uh if they're habitual like three times caught for rape or child molesting then snuff them
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well but there the problems that they just been let out of jail
good
pardon
the problem there is that they've been let out jail if they've been thrice convicted they should have been kept in longer
yeah but we don't seem to keep them long enough
and then they learn such bad things in jail that isn't a place of rehabilitation
yeah well
yeah that's that's for sure
yeah it's a tough question isn't it
on whether at what point do they become so detrimental to society that society can't afford to keep them around to keep giving them chances
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yeah
hm let's see so the other questions that they wanted was
whether the place that we live in
uh compares to how we feel what's the laws there in DC
i actually don't
