you wanna go first
no you can start
okay um one of the things they talked about was uh
did we did what do what do we think about a judge making the decision and i really don't agree with that
um-hum
i think that the trial by jury is better
uh you know than even having a unanimous decision rather than to have one person be responsible
i don't think that they could be objective in every case every time
right
you you know what i mean
right there's there this this this topic is kind of moot um there there's no way we we couldn't survive in a system in a in a juror system in a trial system without a jury um
yeah
right
one man can never be one man one woman can never be objectionable in every case
that's it
um every person has their opinions and that's why jury selection is often very difficult
um
well i i feel the other thing too uh they were saying uh you know what new ways could you could it you you know change the system
i i really think that um we spend a lot of time uh going through appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal i mean if if you go to a trial by jury
and especially if a person has confessed if they have been caught you know point blank in the crime there's uh no question it's beyond a reasonable doubt
right
you all these things i mean you know we've gone through this uh over and over again
right they shouldn't allow an appeal
and it can go on for ten twenty years i i think this is a little ridiculous
yep
um-hum
i think the only people who benefit from that are the lawyers
no that's right i work for a law firm i ought i
i i'm serious and i think that the lawyers have caused a lot of the problems that happen that exist in the in the criminal system today with plea bargaining
right
you know if someone is
well plea bargaining plea bargaining is a different story
well
plea bargaining is something completely different that that actually prevents trials or or at least speeds them up
well i know that's that's what i'm saying but i think a lot of all of the whole criminal system is messed up
in in that regard i mean you know people who commit uh crimes that they i don't know how it works exactly but you know they get lesser sentences and i understand that the jails are full of people you know uh
right
right
and that they have to do something but i think that the reason they are full is because they know that they can get away with it
hum
you you know what i'm saying that we we don't have um well a lot of states don't have capital punishment
right
and um
we do
i i think they should i and i think if a person is guilty of taking someone's life and like you say it's it's there's no doubt whatsoever like drunk drivers that kill people and um
you know all they they're caught dead to rights i i just think that that's they've they've taken a life and if they should pay for it with their life
right
right
when you're saying as as far as the appeal um procedure is concerned we just have the case i'm i'm sure you've probably heard of Marion Berry
yeah
uh-huh
um his final his last appeal was was denied two days before his sentence was up
oh really
so i mean his appeal was denied and two days later he got out of jail
it uh
for cocaine possession but um
yeah
that was absurd there was no there was no reason the appeal process should have dragged on that long for a six month sentence
i know that the
uh-huh
and i don't know uh what what would you do to change it to make it better
well
uh
the the only thing i can i was you know the the appeal procedure is the only thing i can possibly think of um i like i said as far as removing of the jury and having the judge sentence that's absurd there's no way that could work
oh yeah i i i don't agree with that at all
um
but
imagine the guilt that person would have i mean it burned out is there's no possible way that you could um you know feel good about yourself if you had to do something like that day after day
oh exactly exactly
right
no one would want the job
no really not really
um
and
you know like i said the you know everyone has their opinions about every case
well would do you think people should have a trial if they're caught dead to rights like
oh yeah i i feel that everyone is everyone is um entitled to a trial by jury that that that right should
i mean supposing i come up to you and i just point blank kill you
well i mean were there witnesses
in other words you're saying that we you have to find out whether it's premeditated or what the circumstances were
right
right that you can't you can't remove the jury regardless of the case i mean you could have fifty people in audience watching a murder take place and you you'd still there's still mitigating circumstances
yeah
yeah
well it's i i feel
