okay
okay well our involvement in our involvement in the Middle East
well
i don't know how you feel about uh Iraq but i think but i think we did the right thing there
i think they stopped too soon though
yeah i kind of feel that way too
i think they should have just kept right on going into Baghdad
uh probably could have struck a deal with the Saudi's and just let them have Iraq
well and now the way they're uh treating those Kurds is that what they its terrible and we've just kind of backed off i don't understand that why we
um yeah
well i don't either and it's certainly foreseeable the Kurds have always been
that way and every time they try something they they get the partner my French they get the crap kicked out of them
and
are they just kind of a nomad tribe type of thing
yeah yeah they're scattered all over really you got them in Iran and Turkey and
they sort of just meander around but they they hold true that Northern Iraq is theirs
and uh i don't know it it was certainly foreseeable right after the war i mean it should have been obvious if it it was obvious to me it should have been obvious to the people in Washington there should have been some plans to
try to give them some aid i mean we helped the Afghanistanis there's know reason why we shouldn't have helped the Kurds
it didn't have to involve troops could have just given them uh you know supplies
yeah but he's just shooting them and they just killing them off
oh yeah i mean Lord there's things that we probably never will hear about that he's doing of course he's been doing it all along anyway
horrible things
yeah well yeah i guess he has i think they should have gotten rid of him that's that's the thing
yeah i can't say i mean it's it's easy to understand why he's still there i mean those people over there have nothing i mean you can't you can't drag this guy down with nothing
and the only thing that surprised me i really i really expect the army guys to get him out
i really expected to have the
his own people
yeah i expected some of his generals and stuff to
quietly do away with him
assassinate him
but uh it's amazing that they could stand around and watch their forces get decimated that way and
not
do anything about it
yeah it's like he has some sort of a power over them i i can't figure it out
yeah it's either that or he's well entrenched and they couldn't get to him or something
but he's still running things
he's still running things
and they're still doing things for him
and apparently still has a great deal of control
see that's what i don't understand
i don't either it's it's tough to understand those Middle Eastern types anyway
they they think completely differently the way we from the way we do
i've got several Middle Middle Eastern friends uh my my father was stationed in Iran many years ago and i was a little boy there
and i have a couple of Iranian friends and i've got a couple Kuwaiti friends
so you really know about them
no no i don't i
you don't
no i know i know a little bit more than most people but no where near enough to
even talk intelligently about them
boy aren't you glad you're not over there or you weren't over there when all this erupted
yep
yes i am
had have you ever gone back
nope never have
never wanted to
how long were you over there
uh we were there for four years
well that's along time out of a child's life anyway
yeah
yeah yeah it was it was nice i enjoyed it uh
Tehran was a beautiful place i still remember the house we lived in great big old it was almost something out of Ali Baba and the forty thieves you know
you oh how neat
yeah it was it was really nice
we've got some nice uh
uh Persian carpets that we still have
ugh
those are very nice
yeah
boy and you couldn't get them over hear for
well you can you can but they're expensive
yeah you'd have to be
i went matter of fact i went to a uh Persian carpet auction about three weeks ago and i'm just amazed at some of the prices they're getting
and especially now you know because you probably couldn't get anything out of there any more
no not out of there but of course these things are made in uh Pakistan and India and Afghanistan
and all the Iranian ones are you you know we we don't them anymore but there was loads and loads of them sent over before the embargoes
and so they're still floating around
oh okay
yeah there's a lot there's a lot of them
the Afghanistan the Afghani uh carpets are nice too i mean you can't tell the difference if you're not an expert
they are all nice i mean
yeah
they make nice carpet
and they probably they do it all by hand probably
yeah they do
the goods are you can tell the machine made ones
but the handmade ones are very easy to spot because you have the same
um you have a uh oh i forgot what they call it it's the the
um what am i trying to say not the picture it's the uh way it's woved you know weived woven yeah woven how it's woven into the fabric and you know they have pattern pattern that's the word good grief it's been along day
um-hum
woven
uh-huh um and when you turn it over you'll see that very same pattern uh it will be fainter of course but it will be that same way and the machine made ones they don't they don't look like that
uh-huh
it looks like our carpet where you just have a flat backing and then the thing is knitted into this backing
oh okay
uh they're nice though i i like them i'm
still negotiating i'm trying to get a couple of them for myself
your parents have them oh i don't know she
yeah they
they they keep they keep coming with this well when we die they're yours i i don't want to wait until your dead i mean you'll probably have it in your will that you're going to be buried with them i don't know
they're yours
wrapped up in their c arpet
yeah just to spite us you know
well uh my my my ex
go go i said go ahead
oh oh go ahead i was going to say my ex husband was i was talking for him last night and he was talking about going over to uh
uh Iran or wherever their asking he's an electrician he's certified and he's gone to school and all that for it and they're asking for these specialized people to go over there for is a year and he was talking about going over there and i said you really want to do that
um-hum
i mean i think it's probably still very dangerous over there
yeah i i i think it is too there's too many factions running around uh when i was in England uh a lot of uh a lot of Brit's work over in the Middle East um
um-hum
lots and lots of them and it it it's a it's a real financial boom for them because the the wages are tremendously high
i mean they got all that money and they don't have anybody to pay it to um and it's tax free
and they get free trips home twice a year things like that so they the Brit's loved it but i i'm not so sure i would want to go over there that's a little being an American you're still
i mean you're still is a target over there
yeah until they really and and it's not over see that's the thing it's not over and they're sending all these troops back and i think well they're probably going to end up going back over there again
no not by a long shot well
well you know we're not sending back as many i mean people think we're sending back a lot we're not sending back that many yet there's still a lot of them over there
a lot of them a lot of airplanes a lot of ground forces
well they're still shooting down planes every now and then
yeah
honey i uh you what we did i mean you know telling uh telling uh Saddam that well if you use your if you use your uh
fighter aircraft against the Kurds we're going to shoot them down okay well wow wee you know why don't we go in there and just wipe out all their airplanes then we don't have to worry about it
yeah
well you know they don't need the airplanes to wipe out those people evidently they just
going through and blasting them but you know from what i you know we don't hear just hear hear bits and pieces but it's pretty gruesome
oh yeah yeah
um-hum
um-hum
and probably a lot worse like you said than even know
well over there in that part of world anything like this always is i mean their
and it will never end they've been fighting
no
no they've been fighting for thousands of years and it will be they'll fight for thousands of more years it it it's going to go on forever
for thousands of years
um the thing that surprises me really is that Israel's sitting there in the middle of all this
uh i mean
i i have some bones to pick with the Israeli's but you've got to admire their tenacity
to be sitting there surrounded by hostile Arabs and to maintain this is our homeland you know
yeah and and they
they're pretty brave
a lot of people still coming in from Russia and stuff jews coming in to uh
um-hum
Israel i saw that on Twenty uh 20/20 or something last week you know the about the migration and it's just and and jeez i don't know what their doing with all the people
yeah yeah they have
i don't either well um you know they what you don't hear about is how many they turn away
oh i didn't even know they were turning any away
yeah
oh yeah
they'll help them relocate somewhere else but but they're not they're they're filling up to fast and they're they're just getting to many diverse groups there and that's
something the the Jews didn't really want to happen you know they're they're stuck with the fact that you've got to take in your family your brother Jew but
they're also stuck with the fact they don't want to diversify their population that much
um
they i mean they got a big problem with the Palestinians they don't need any other problems
yeah
um boy what a mess
yeah i'm i'm really surprised that Israel didn't take care of Saddam a long time ago
and they just didn't do anything did they they're just kind of sitting there
they're sitting there it it it makes me wonder and they've they've got the capability
and they've got the people you know
