so uh what do you think
i think we're overtaxed to the hilt
yeah
yeah i mean we're we're taxed on taxes and um
uh most all government entities are just trying to give us a state
income tax for those who don't have it that is i mean we don't have one yet but eventually they may try to push it through
oh really so they have no i didn't realize they had no state tax in Texas
no no state income tax
oh that's great because they don't have it in Florida in New York they have it
uh-huh
i mean you know like i say i'm in New York and we have a state tax as well
so that just cuts even more
yeah i think what needs to be done is they need to control their spending habits
right i i think that i i mean i wouldn't be so upset about the amount of taxes paid if it weren't for the fact that they don't they don't go to any place
you know you you don't see it going to any place where it belongs
right
i think if it were to be uh
if it were to be um
if it were to be hold hold on a second please someone just walked in the door
yeah
if if it were to be spent in the right way i think wouldn't be so upset about it but given that it that it's not spent properly i think it's a major problem
well we're
really overburdened from federal state and local
that it takes such a size out of your paycheck that
there's not a whole lot you can always do with your paycheck
well that's certainly true well what is it they were just talking about um
sort of middle income you know how how middle income people what winds up happening is for instance having kids you know they wind up having kids as a deduction and after
but the deduction is so little for kids that they wind up having to pay more in taxes than it costs to raise a kid for the year or something
uh-huh
i think that so they want to you know try and i think they're trying i think that i think that most of the politicians understand this
they just don't they're just not very good at doing what they're supposed to be doing
well they're kind of put into a trap of being
out there to please the special interest groups as well
right
and uh i think the only way that can be changed for us to get a a better tax revenue
that's fairness and all is for us to limit their terms
uh-huh
and by doing so they're not obligated to anybody
i agree
i agree
and uh
and uh i don't know how we're going to do that right away though but what what in general though that taxes are doing to us is
it's just taking uh a bite out of our savings
right exactly and then and then uh
uh i'm i'm just not sure if i see you know if i see it going like i say to the right places i mean it'd be it'd be one thing if it were taking a bite out of your savings and then you were getting it all back when you got older
yeah
you know but i'm not convinced that's a that that Social Security is doing as well as it should and
you know and and and uh and and that you know those people who need it for welfare and so forth who really need it for welfare not the eighty five to ninety percent of them who don't need it but i mean the real people who really need it
you know should be getting it but instead i think it's going to the wrong places
and i believe the Social Security tax is a great pondsy scheme
you think so
yeah it's uh you know right now they're robbing from it to pad the federal deficit
i know and that scares the hell out of me
and i bet that's illegal see if uh most company uh CEOs were to do that
within their private company they'd be in jail
yeah
so how are we letting them get away with it
yeah i don't i don't well because because they're the ones who make the laws so who's going to yell at them you know it'd be nice if we sort of as one band together and and uh and an performed a citizens arrest i guess
right
yeah
to see if we could sort of clean them up and you know but i don't know if we can do that or not
a lot of people have become too complacent and believe everything is just the norm as to the way things are going and
feel absolutely helpless
to
to oppose a lot of the situations going on
in the taxing system
i agree i agree but um yeah like like you said i wonder you know if if it's certainly not going to be a slow change process and i wonder if it'll ever be a change process
yeah
i sort of i sort of get discouraged when i think about all the things that i think are wrong
you know all those things that really could be changed that
aren't you know that that aren't and taxes is one of those things that just sort of sits way up there on the list
yeah
hum
so i don't know i i i have no idea what to do about it
well there's no quick solution or no sure fire
easy answer
it's just going to take uh
uh really uh uh uh
a combination effort i think of the majority of the American people to
come to a decisive answer
or
vote
to
limit
the way it's spent
yeah
see we we're we have no say so as to where the money goes in the first place that's
right we don't i mean the only say so we have is supposedly by electing people who we think are going to vote one way of another
right and they are controlled or
pretty much do what they want to do
right
i've never quite understood that i've never uh you know even though um i i've never been
uh sort of politically minded but it's never been clear to me as to sort of
um
you know how Congressmen an can can just sort of go ahead and vote their own conscience as their own ideas
when clearly their constituency does doesn't back them up on anything you know
and often times that will happen
well they feel invulnerable invulnerable to uh
right
any wrath or uh it's it's occurred so many times that
they figure people will usually forget and
don't think about it when the election time arises
right
and generally it does work out that way
they do forget it's true could because everybody think of what happens is whenever the politician whenever the the one who made that supposed mistake turns around and uh his his or her opponent can say well look they did this and they can turn around and say well my opponent did this
uh-huh
so it becomes uh
a general battle of
the who sort of the election of the lesser of two evils
yeah
i think so
i don't know
i just uh i'm unhappy with it but and well i'm i'm sort of semi fortunate right now i'm a graduate student
so i don't make that much what i make isn't taxed very highly because i'm still in school
well when you get out into the real world then you will know
but
it's
my my my wife has a real job and you know when i get her job um you know we we look at her paycheck i'm just floored whe n i see how little of it we're actually allowed to keep
yeah
especially around bonus time
bonus time you have a bonus
bonus she no my my wife does
oh
my wife i don't no graduate students don't get bonuses we're lucky to get paychecks the way i figure
uh-huh
so you're taxed on the bonuses too right
my my wife is taxed on her bonus as well and that's a
that's usually a big chunk of her bonus check actually i mean her bonus isn't that much but they tax it as i i guess they tax it as if
uh-huh
that were her weekly check or something
uh-huh
so she gets destroyed on her bonus check
uh-huh
so she works with in in in sales
so a good portion of her you know her salary is is quarterly bonuses
uh sales is lucrative but then you're paying really high taxes when you're doing a lucrative job
yes well yeah she's not entirely sales so it isn't it isn't as lucrative as one would hope but it it keeps us supported temporarily
uh-huh
until i can get a real salary and then get taxed more
so i don't know i don't i guess i guess at this point in time we're just sort of going to have to live with it
and hope that it gets better
yeah
well i have
i guess about said what all all i can think of to say
same here tough topic so
yeah it's really a rather touchy topic at that but
i believe i i i do agree with you most most wholeheartedly it's been a pleasure talking with you
well that's great
you too and uh have a good day
thanks for calling
you too bye-bye
