how do you feel about uh drug testing Bob
well i guess uh i really don't have a lot of contact with uh with the business world i'm self employed work in a one person office
okay
and so my my my my contacts with the with the drug testing possibilities are pretty limited uh
um how do you feel about people that are subjected to having to have the drug testing done
well i
i i you know i understand why companies can in some cases would feel a need
uh i have some reservations about it because i i do believe that i believe in individual rights
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and and i think that uh that that does at least borderline on an invasion of privacy or you know or violation of you know personal rights
oh uh what recourse do you think a company would have then if they had people using drugs and were jeopardizing the company structure
yeah well i guess i'd i'm uh i'm not sure that uh
uh you know you'd have to prove somehow
show that there's a reason for you know for suspecting that person
as you know as being a drug user or you know whatever and i mean you wouldn't uh you wouldn't you're not allowed a company's not allowed anymore to give uh uh
what is it uh
protection
the no the the test uh now i've drawn a blank
um you mean uh uh the test to oh the polygraph
polygraph test
yeah you're not allowed to use polygraph test in pre screening you know for employees anymore uh so you know you don't have any any proof or any way to check on a person as to their honesty
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the only way that you you know the only alternative you have if you suspect suspect a person is uh is stealing from you is to get evidence
correct
uh to that effect you know and i kind of feel like uh
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drug testing should fall into that into that same category or potentially anyway that if you suspect it that you should have some kind of proof not
do you
not come up with a method to to have the employee furnish the furnish the proof against themselves you know in effect you know that's that's kind of uh
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of defeating some of the purposes i think of the Constitution which you know which says you know you don't have to give
self incriminating evidence course we're talking about you know criminal cases in that in that case but i still i think it still fits you know the same uh
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right
somewhat anyway the the same area
i guess uh they feel because drug use is so widespread
and there's not any um
deviation so to speak
between an executive and a lay person as far as drug use goes
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and um i feel and just looking at it on the surface
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that they wouldn't have much of a choice um
in picking somebody uh sometimes drugs don't uh the results of taking drugs don't come out until after something tragic has happened
and in order to uh resolve it before it happens that they feel that this is most the most direct way and
painless way of uh
scanning their uh employees
i know that in our company i have not known a woman to have the drug test yet
well
but of course the men i guess it's more popular and i don't know if this is true if it's more popular between men drug use than it is women because i know there are a lot of women that do use drugs
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but
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uh there are i would say there are as many women drug users
as there are men uh-huh
as there are men uh in most you know most of the cases that i know of you know
from
personal conversations uh
i don't know anybody
uh in even a random um friendship that uses drugs
yeah well i've known people in the in the past that have you know that uh and in in almost all of those cases it was you know husband and wife or boyfriend girlfriend or
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you know that kind of a situation
a casual user of drugs or
do what a casual user uh yeah pretty much uh right social social users say uh
uh-huh
just to try and see what it was like and then
yeah
and and and in in you know in some cases it would be
uh a group of friends that you know that i would know about that you know i'm not a drug user i have not ever been and will not ever be but i you know i've known people that have talked about it you know and uh
that were experiencing different things
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sure
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and it was you know it was couples and groups and
you know male and female and
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you know it was not limited to
well i i would be um i don't have any desire to but i would be awfully fearful because of all the uh
um illicit drugs that are around and the methods by which they're made
right
and some of them are very deadly and it's kind of playing Russian Roulette with drugs
right
yeah so but yeah i i understand the you know the idea i'm i'm all in favor of getting drugs out of the you know out of the the system completely
so it
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well it doesn't bring anything but chaos
yeah right but uh you know i i think that uh i think that the companies that that have started
the the the non voluntary drug testing and and Texas Instruments in particular or is you know is one that i know of anyway
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they uh
i think they're asking for for the Constitution to be interpreted to say hey you can't do this it's you know it's a violation from my point of view it's a violation of you know of of a person
do you think a rule against a certain uh um
substance is in violation of their civil rights
uh not a rule against it but a a a non voluntary testing for it
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is i think that's you know it's it's like you're telling if they're telling a person you don't have any alternative but to uh accept uh accept this test go through this testing
i wonder if uh now in their applications when they hire people i know it wasn't in the application that i filled out years ago but
if now they um are very up front with saying we are going to test you for drugs and if it's then knowledgeable to the uh applicant
well yeah
you know in TI's under TI's current policy uh new hire new employees are tested
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and you know so it's it is a part of the you know it's a part of the test a part of the part of the employment employing procedure now is is to test
so they know that it's not a
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and and there's there's no problem with
you know with pre employment testing that i guess that's a little a little unusual that they can test test for drugs but they can't test for honesty
and uh
you know so that's uh but that is you know that is a a
we live in a in
