you do a lot of uh camping up in Utah
uh i used to do more when our children are were younger we'd go we'd go for a week and and have uh stay up in the mountains it was really fun
well in in the mountains up in Utah or where
well in Idaho and we have camped a lot in Utah too but mostly in Idaho
we're right we're only about fifty miles from the Idaho border so we've camped there a lot do you camp a lot
well i go camping a lot with the Boy Scouts
oh
oh
we do we do several types uh we do several types of camping one type of camping we do is called a
Base Camp where we simply go to camp set it up and spend the weekend the second type of camping we do is backpacking where we simply go to an area backpack in
spend a night or two and then backpack out and then a third type of camping we do has to do with uh aquatics
aquatics
well canoeing for the most part we we we take a long
oh um-hum
trip every June on the Buffalo River in Arkansas for about nine days of canoeing
is that with older scouts then
uh no the scouts have to have achieved the rank of First Class which they generally get done after a year and then they're eligible to go on the trip
oh
so we'll have boys on the trip that'll they all should be twelve by the time we go all ranging all the way up to seventeen
oh yes i have five boys that are Eagles so they've done a lot of camping too and they've they've uh one thing they've done is gone on a fifty mile hike
well these hikes that we've taken our boys
uh generally are about six six to ten miles but uh they'll go they have the chance to go to Philmont in July and then they'll do the fifty mile or whatever hiking then
oh oh well our camping is just with the family we've well part of the time we've been in trailers and part of the time we've been in tents
but uh we've uh and then when we've we've been camping we floated down the Buffalo River in Idaho and done things like that
you have you have a Buffalo River up there too huh
in Idaho uh-huh
i wonder if they're connected to the one in Arkansas
oh i would doubt it i think this empties into the Bear River
well we do some family camping too where we just all go for a weekend but we only have time to do that a few times a year because the scouts go camping
you sound like you're a very active Scout Master
well assistant at the moment
oh
uh but we're very we're very busy because we go camping every month except February and and then in July the boys either go to regular camp or to Philmont
and the other months we all go camping
my goodness
where's Philmont
uh Philmont's up near your end of the woods
i've heard of it before
it's in the uh i don't know exactly where it is but it's somewhere in the Montana
Montana Wyoming area
oh uh-huh
but we we have boys that'll go there in July and they'll go up there for a week or two
our our son that's our youngest son uh went to a camp called Life
and it was up in uh and that's been a fantastic deal they really put out on their own and they're not they can't go until they're seventeen or eighteen but they're put out on their own and they just have to survive camping
here you can go to Philmont but you have to be thirteen as of January first of the year you want to go which is in July so most of the boys that go are at least fourteen
oh well that sounds exciting does uh do you have uh children that are scouts
well i have one son that's a scout
oh how many children do you have
i have also a daughter she's a Girl Scout
oh oh
they don't do as much camping
oh well our our family really enjoys camping they the boys will even we live in along the Wasatch and they'll go up the mountains just above our house and camp
well i'm afraid the nearest mountains to us are several uh hours away
yeah we have a son in Plano that we visit all the time
well that's why they call it Plano because it's just plain
it's terrible
it's plain you can from my office on a clear day i can see Fort Worth which is about thirty five miles away
oh
oh well i i when we've been down there i just can't believe the flatness of it all
so do you live near Plano
well i i live uh just south of Plano in Richardson
oh yes i know that
which is the next suburb just south going down the freeway
uh-huh
uh-huh
well we we spend uh part of our time camping every year we go up into an area and our whole family goes
my brothers and my brother and his family and my sisters and their families and we spend
